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navaid_khan
09-17-2008, 03:00 AM
:bis


:yarasool

:salam,
UMEED HAI SUB ISLAMI BHAI KHAIRYET SAY HON GAY. MERAY BHAION KIA APP NAY KABHI GOR KIA KAY YA JO APNAY APP KO AHLEHADIS KEHLWATAY HAIN, AOR SIRF AOR SIRF QURAN AOR HADIS PER AMAL KARNAY KAY BARAY BARAY DAWAY KARTAY HAIN AOR BOLTAY HAI KAY HUM LOGON KE JAAN FIQHA SAY CHURA KAR SIRF AOR SIRF QURAN AOR HADIS PER LAGANA CHATAY HAIN.....TU DEKHNA YA HAI KAY YA NAAM NIHAD MUSLAMN KIA KHOD BHI PORAY PORAY QURAN AOR HADIS PER HE AMAL KARTAY HAIN YA NAHI? APP SIRF THORA GOR KARIN TU APP KO MALOOM HO JAAY GA KAY YA SIRAY SAY JHOOTAY HAIN. BAZAHIR QURAN AOR HADIS PER AMAL KARNAY KAY DAWAY KARTAY HAIN MAGAR HAKIKAT MAI YA QURAN AOR HADIS KAY SAAF MUNKIR HAIN. KIOUN KAY INN KAY KAYIE AMAL AASAY HAIN JIN KA SABOOT MANG LO INN SAY KAY KIA WO QURAN AOR HADIS MAI MOJODD HAIN TU INSHAALAH TA QAMAYIAT TAAK BHI US KA JAWAB KISE SAHI HADIS MAI NAHI DHOND SAKTAY AOR NA HE QURAN PAAK MAI.
EK CHOTI SE EXAMPLE DAYTA HON APP KO YA LOG RAFYADIN KAY KAIL HAIN AOR US KO SAHIE HADIS SAY BAATA TAY HAIN MAGAR HUM YA BOLTAY HAIN KAY KIA APP KAY PAS KOIE AASI HADIS HAI JIS SAY SABIT HO SAKAY KAY NABI PAK :saw NAY AKHRI WAQT TAAK RAFAYADIN KIA THAA? KIOUN KAY NABI PAK :saw KA AKHRI AMAL HE SUNAAT HOWA KARTA HAI JO AMAL KISE REASON KAY TEHAT KIA AOR KAR KAY CHOR DIA WO SUNNAT NAHI HOWA KARTA SUNNAT HAMISHA SAY AKHRI WAQT TAAK KIAY JAANAY WALAY AMAL KO KEHTAY HAIN.
AOR ISS TERHAN KAY KAYIE SAWALAT HAIN JIN KA ANSWER YA TA QAMAYET TAAK NAHI DAY SAKTAY INSHALLAH AOR MAZAY KE BAAT YA HAI KAY JO CHIZ QURAN AOR SAHIE HADIS SAY SABIT NAHI US PER INN KA AMAL ZOR SHOR SAY JARI HAI. TU JO CHIZ QURAN AOR HADIS MAI NAHI HAI US PER AMAL KARNA KASA HAI? JUB KAY INN KA DAWA HOTA HAI KAY JEE HUM SIRF QURAN AOR HADIS PER AMAL KARTAY HAIN... TU KIA YA MUNAFKAT NAHI HAI? ISS LAIY YA LOG AHLEHADIS NAHI HAIN YA MUNKIR QURAN-O-HADIS HAIN. AGAR KISE AHLE HADIS KAY PAS YA DAWA HAI KAY WO HAAR HAAR AMAL QURAN AOR HADIS KAY TEHAT HE KARTA HAI TU AAJAY INSHAALAH JO JO POCHA JAAY GA WO US KA ANSWER NAHI DAYGA...AAR KISE AHLEHADIS KAY PAS JAWAB HAI TU AAJAY HUM US SAY KUCH POCHNA CHATAY HAIN.
MERAY BHAION INN KO PECHAN LO YA LOG ISLAM MAI FITNA PEHLANAY WALAY HAIN INN KAY AAKAID BATIL HAIN, INN SAY KHOD BHI BACHO AOR APNAY AZIZ DOSTON KO BHI BACHAO.

:ja

Attari1980
09-17-2008, 09:12 AM
:ja

Administrator
09-17-2008, 09:43 AM
:ja sahi farmaya app ne.

Attari1980
09-17-2008, 11:23 AM
Ahle Hadees ka kenha ha k Bajamat Namaz main Imam o Muqtadi par Surah Fatiah parna Faraz ha. Dusri taraf Rakhu main milnay se jamat mil jati ha. Agar Rakhu main milnay se jamat mil jai tu Surah Fatiah Nahi par saktay Jis ka matlab ha k Faraz Chut gai. Ahle Hadees ye batayi ke is tarah un ke NAMAZ ho jai ge ya nehi.
Ye yaad rahay ke is surat main un ka faraz chut gai ha.

mariyam
09-17-2008, 01:23 PM
:ma
:ja

Madani Munna
09-17-2008, 01:38 PM
:ja

navaid_khan
09-18-2008, 02:04 AM
Ahle Hadees ka kenha ha k Bajamat Namaz main Imam o Muqtadi par Surah Fatiah parna Faraz ha. Dusri taraf Rakhu main milnay se jamat mil jati ha. Agar Rakhu main milnay se jamat mil jai tu Surah Fatiah Nahi par saktay Jis ka matlab ha k Faraz Chut gai. Ahle Hadees ye batayi ke is tarah un ke NAMAZ ho jai ge ya nehi.
Ye yaad rahay ke is surat main un ka faraz chut gai ha.

:bis

:yarasool

:salam,
Bhai Casper umeed hai app khairyet say hoon gay, :sub kia zabar dast baat khaie hai app nay di kush ho gaaya ya 100% inn ghar mukaliadin kay tarikay mai say ek tarika naamz kay baray mai ya bhi hai, abb zara inn say koie pochay kay namaz mai SURAH FAITAH parhna kise muktadi ka kise imam kay pechay kis terhan sabit hai? zara dikhao koie SAHI, SARIH aor MARFOO hadis jis say ya sabit ho kay muktadi immam kay pechay SURAH FAITAH parahy? app nay :ma bilkul drusrt farmaya,

:ja

navaid_khan
09-18-2008, 02:16 AM
:bis

:yarasool

:salam,
Umeed hai app sub bahi khairyet say hon gay, abb hum moozo RAFA YADAIN ke taraf jaatay hain tu hamin maloom hota hai kay RAFA YADIN sunnat nahi hai, iss silsilay mai hum TARMAZEE SHAREEF say HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD ke rivaet pesh kartay hain jis ko ya wahabi ghair mukalid zaeef keh kar rud kar daytay hain, tu phir hum inn say ya sawal pochtay hain kay iss Hadis pak mai kon say Ravi per app ko Shuba hai kay wo tikh nahi? tu ya iss mau different ravion per shubay ka atraz kartay hain...for example ASIM BIN KALEEB per inn ko atraz hai kay wo zaeef RAVI hai....right? acha jee tikh hai magar khyen aasa tu nahi hai iss zaeef ravi ko ya Ghair Mukalid apnay matlab kise hadis mai use kar rahy hon? aor 100% aasa he for example jub hum namaz mai seenay per haat bandhnay wali hadis mangtay hain inn say tu ya pori SAHA SATHA chor kar SAHIE IBN-E-KHUZAIMA wali (HADIS KE KITAB) ka saahara laytay hain kay dekho iss mai seenay per haat bandhay wali HADIS hai tu meray payray bhaion app ke ko araz kar don kay us HADIS mai bhi ASIM BIN KALEEB he ravi hain.........magar udhar ya ASIM BIN KALEEB ko SAKHA yani (SAHIE) mantay hain..abb app log khod andaza kar lain kay kia koie RAVI kise ek hadis mai tu zaeef ho gaaya aor dosri mai SAHIE ho gaaya kia ya mumkin hai? kia ya iman ka takaza hai? kia ya baat ya zahir nahi karti kay jo chiz matlab mai jaay wo lay lo aor jidhar matlab nahi nikal raha us ko chor do? tu phir jub mai ya bolta hon kay tum AHLEHADIS ho ya MUNKIR QURAN-O-HADIS tu kia galat bolta hon?

JAZAK ALLAH KHAIR.

navaid_khan
09-18-2008, 02:40 AM
Hazrat ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif wali hadis jo hum RAFA YADAIN ka tark mai pesh kartay hain uss mai total 8 RAVI hain jin ka tazkara mai nay nechay bohat tafseel say nakal kar dia hai kay sub RAVI basanad aor sahie hain, app sub bhaion say guzarish hai kay iss ko ghor say read karain, app ko paata chal jay ga kay ya sub inn Ghair Mukalidon kay hadis pak say jaan churanay kay bahanay hain, jub kay ya hadis (Tark-e-Rafa yadin) mai bilkul drust hai. read karin.

Hazrat ALKAMAH nay farmaya kay Hazrat ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif nay farmaya kia mai tumhain RASOOL PAK http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif ke namaz par kar na dikhaon pus app nay namaz parhi lakin Rafa yadain sirf namaz ke ibtida mai kia phir Rafa yadain nahi kia. dekho (Tarmizi Shareef 1 Suwaat 59 )



(iss baab mai BAARA BIN AAZIB say bhi riwayet hai) IMAM TARMAZI farmatay hain kay HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif ke hadis HASSAN hai aor kayie SAHABA IKRAM http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif ahle ilam aor kayie TAABAIN IKRAM ka iss hadis per amal hai (Yani Rafa yadain nahi kartay Siway Takbeer Iftitah kay) aor ya he kol HAZRAT SUFYIAN SORI ka hai (Jin ke Hadis ko IMAM BUKHARI nay ek mukam per ASHA kaaha) aor ya he kol Ahle Koofa ka hai.



Iss Hadis ke sanad mai kul 8 RAVI hain. Pehalay RAVI khod IMAM TARMAZI hain jin kay SAKHA SABAT (SAHAI) IMAM hadis honay mai sub ka itafak hai.



1.Introduction to JAMA TARMAZI SHAREEF:-

Ghair Mukaladin kay imam mohadis mustunad molvi nawab siddique hassan bhopali apni kitab AL-HATTHAH fe zikar SAHA SATHA SUWWAT 239 per TARMAZI SHAREEF ko JAAMAY UL SAHI likhtay hain. Baad chand satoor likhtay hain kay IMAMA TARMAZI nay farmaya kay mai nay iss kitab ko (TARMAZI) tasneef kia ULMA HAJAZ, ULMA IRAQ, & ULMA KHRASAN per pesh kia sub iss kitab kay sath razi howay (Yani pasand farmaya)



2. 2nd Ravi HANAD hain IMAM NISAIE nay kahaa kay HANAD SAKA hai, IBN HABAN nay sakaat mai dakhil kia, Dekho Asma UL Rajal mai (Thazeeb Ut Thazeeb 6 Suwat 47-48)



3rd RAVI WAKIE, ABDULAH BIN AHMED nay apnay baap say riwayet ke hai kay mai nay WAKIE say bara AALIM aor HAFIZ nahi dekha aor farmatay thaay kay WAKIE hafiz hai, Hafiz hai aor ABDUL REHMAN BIN MAHDI say bara HAFIZ hai. Dekho Asma ul Rijal (Tahzeeb ut Tahzeeb 6 Suwaat 81-82)



4th Ravi SUFYIAN hazrat SUFYAN SORI ka tarjuma hum gair mukalid wahabion kay MOHADIS YAHYA GOLANDI sahib ke zabani daraj kartay hain. YAHYA GOLANDI Ghair Mukalid aor tasub parasat hai. Apni kitab (AAMIN BIL JIRAH SUWAAT 25) per likhtay hain kay hafiz IBN-E-HAJAR farmatay hain kay, IMAM SUFYIAN SORI mashoor IMAM FIQIAH abid aor bohat baray HAFIZ thaay. IMAM NISAIE wagera nay inn ko MUDLIS kaaha hai IMAMM BUKHARI farmatay hain kay inn ke TADLEES bohat he kum hai.

Hafiz IBN-E-HAJAR nay Mudalesin ko 5 Tabkon mai takseem kia hai aor IMAM SORI ko dosray tabkay ke ke khod he wazahat kar de hai Farmatay hain. Dosra tabka jin ke tadlees ko AYMA IKRAM nay kabool kia aor imamat aor kilat tadlees ke wajha say SAHI mai hadis lee hain jaisa kay SORI thaay ya phir iss tabkay mai aasay RAVI hain jo sirf SAKHA RAVION say tadlees kartay thaay jesa kay INAN IBN AAYNIAYAH. Hafiz IBN-E-HAJAR ke iss usoole tehreer say wazha ho gaaya hai kay agar cha IMAM SORI mudalis thay magar muzir nahi jo hadis ke sehat per asar andaz ho aor hadis ko tadlees ke wajha say rad kar dia jaay. Dekho (AAMIN BIL JIRAH SUWAAT 25-26).

Hum nay IMAM SUFYIAN ke sakaat Ghair Mukalid wahabi YAHYA GOLANDI sahib ke kitab say UTARA HAI ke hai taakay koie Ghair Mukalid iss ka inakar-e-hadis kay nasay mai IMAM SUFYIAN per tadlees ka atraz kar kay HADIS say inkar na kar sakay iss liay YAHYA GOLANDI sahib nay IMAM SUFIYAN ke tadlees ka jawab bhi day dia hai iss say bhar kar ya kay IMAM SUFIYAN sahi BUKHARI SHAREEF kay RAVI hain. Aor IMAM BUKHARI nay IMAM Shoba kay mukblay mai IMAM SUFIYAN ke HADIS sahi karar de hai. (AAMIN BIL JHAR kay baray mai).



5th RAVI, ASIM BIN KALIEB, inn ka pora naam ASIM BIN KALIEB BIN SHAHAB AL JARMI AL KOFI hai. Unhonay apnay baap aor HAZRAT ABU BURDA BIN MOOSA wa ABDUL REHMAN BIN ASWAD wa MEHRIB BIN DSAAR wa ALKAMAH BIN WAMIL BIN HAJHAR wa MUHMMAD BIN KAAB AL-KARZI wagera say hadis rivait ke hai aor inn say IBN AOWN wa IMAM SHAABA.KASIM BIN MALIK AL MAZNI, WAZAIDHA, WA ABU ALHOZ wa SHARIEK WA SUFIYAN SORI, wa SUFIYAN BIN AAINIAH aor ABU AWANTHA wa ALI BIN ASIM AL WASTI wagera riwayiat kartay hain. IMAM ASRAM nay IMAM AHMED say bayian kia kay (LA BAS BA HADASNA) kay is ke haids mai koie dur nahi. IMAM INB MOIN aor IMAM NISAIE nay khaa kay saka hai IMAM ABU KATIM nay kahaa kay SUALEH hai. IBN HABAAN nay sakaat mai dakhil kia, aor wo SAKHA MAMOON hai. INB AL MADINIE nay kaaha jub munfarid ho tu iss ke hadis hujaat nahi lakin IMAM IBN SAAD nay kaaha kay SAKA hai aor HUJAAT hai.

DEKHO ASMA ul RIJAL (Tehzeeb ut Tehzeeb 3 Suwaat 40)



Note: IMAM IBN AL MADANI nay jo kahaa hai kay jub mufarid HUJAT nahi tu iss hadis mai ASIM BIN KALIEB munfarid nahi hai jasa kay aagay app mulaizha farmayin gay lakin IMAM IBN SAAD nay farma dia hai kay ya SAAKA hai aor hujat hai. Iss kay bawajod hum iss ka jawab GAIR MUKALIDIN kay ghar say daytay hain.



1, GAIR MUKALADIN wahabi seenay per haat bandh nay wali haid IBN-E-KHUZAIMA kay hawalay say jo hazrat WAIL BIN HAJAR say marvi hai pesh kartay hain aor iss hadis ko sub GAIR MUKALID molvi sahi kehtay hain. Iss ke sanad mai ya he ASIM BIN KALIEB hai. Tu agar gair mukaladin ko ASIM BIN KALIEB per atraz hai kay ya zaeef hai ya koiew aor atraz hai tu senay per haat bandhnay wali hadis bhi GAIR MUKALIDIN ko zaeef kehna paray ga magar iss ko sahi kehtay hain kioun? Agar wahan SAAKA hai tu phir yahan bh SAAKA mano na. Aor mazeed ya kay YAHYA GOLANDI SAHIB SUWAAT 84 per likhaty hain kay hadis number 18 kay tehat (aor iss mai ASIM BI KALIEB hai) likhaty hain kay ya hadis wa asnaad ke wajha say hassan darja ke hai bakadar AL HAJAAT aor akhir mai likhtay hain kay iss hadis per rakim kay samnay koie atraz nahi aaya Dekho (KITAB AAMIN BIL JHHAR SUWAAT 84).

Tu YAHYA BIN GOLANDI ko ASIM BIN KALIEB per koie atraz nahi baki WAHBION ko bhi nahi hona chayiea. ALLAH pak hidayit farmayaa (AAMIN).



6. RAVI ABDUL REHMAN BIN ASWAAD:

IMAM IBN-E-MOIN, IMAM NISAIE, IMAM AJLIE, AOR IBN-E-KARASH NAY ABDUL REHMAN BIN ASWAAD KO SAAAKA KAAHA AOR IBN-E-KARASH NAY KAAHA HAI KAY LOGON SAY BATHER HAI. IMAM IBN-E-HAJAR ASKALANI FARMATAY HAIN KAY MAI KEHTA HON KAY IBN-E-HAABAN NAY APP KO SAAKAT MAI DAKHIL KIA HAI.

DEKHO ASMA UL RIJAL (TEHZEEB UT TEHZEEB 3 SUWAT 399)



7. RAVI HAZRAT ALKAMAAH:

HAZRAT ALKAMMAH BIN KAIS BIN ABDULLAH BIN MALIK APP KA NAAM HAI APP RASOOL PAK http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif KE HAYAIT MUBARKA MAI PAADA HOWAY AOR HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQUE http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif , HAZRAT USMAN http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif , HAZRAT SAAD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif , HAZRAT KATIJAH http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif HAZRAT ALI http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif , HAZRAT ABU AL DARAD AA http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif , HAZRAT IBN-E-MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif WA DIGAR KAYI ASHAB RASOOL http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif SAY APP NAY RIVIYAT BAYAN KE HAIN AOR APP SAY HAZRAT IBRAHIM NAKHIE HAZRAT AAMIR AL SHAHBI HAZRAT ABU WAIL SHAQIK BIN SALMA AOR DIGAR KAYIE HAZRAT NAY APP SAY RIVAYET BAYAN KARI HAIN.

ABU TALIB NAY IMAM AHMED SAY BAYEN KIA KAY APP SAAKA HAIN AOR AHLE-E-KHAIR SAY HAIN. USMAN BIN SAEED NAY KAAHA HAI KAY MAI NAY IMAM IBN-E-MOIN KO KAAHA KAY ALKAMAH AOR UBAINDHA MAI APP KO ZADHA PAYRA KON HAI TU UNHO NAY KISE KO TARJHEE NAHI DE. USMAN NAY KAAHA DONO SAAKA HAI LAKIN ALKAMAAH HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif KE HADIS KO ZADHA JAANAY WAALAY HAIN. IMAM IBN AL-MADINI NAY KAAHA KAY SUB LOGON SAY ZADHA HAZRAT IBN MASOOD KE HADIS KO JANAY WALAY HAZRAT ALKAMAAH HAIN AOR HAZRAT ASSWAD WAGERA.



ISS HADIS KAY KUL 8 RAVI HAIN IMAM TARMAZI SAY LAY KAR HAZRAT ALKAMAAH TAAK 7 RAVION KAY BAARY MAI BATYA JA CHUKA HAI. ABB ISS HADIS KAY AKHRI RAVI HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif KAY FAZAIL BAYAIN HOTAY KARTAY HAIN. TAMAM AHLE ISLAM KA ISS BAAT PER IJMA HAI KAY TAMMAM SAHABA IKRAM http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif SADIQUE SAAKA HAIN LAKIN GAIR MUKALADIN NA JAANAY KIS NASHAY MAI HO KAR HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif PER MUKTHLIF ATRAZAT KARTAY HAIN KABHI APP PER YA ILZAM LAGATAY HAIN KAY APP SORA AL-NAAS AOR SORA-E-FALAK KO QURAN KA HISA NAHI SAMAJHTAY THAAY. TU KABHI KEHTAY HAIN KAY APP RAFA YADIN BHOL GAAY THAAY. ALGARAZ APNI AADAT SAY MAJBOOR HO KAR YA BAD AKIDA LOG HAZRAT IBN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif PER DIFFERENT ATRAZ KARTAY RAHTAY HAIN. AGAR CHA INN ATRAZAT KAY JAWABAT AJJ SAY KAYI SAAL PEHLAY IMMAM ZAIE JASI MOTABAR HASTI NAY DIAY HAIN LAKIN YA LOG AJJ BHI APNI ZID PER KAYIM HAIN.



HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD KAY FAZAIL KA MUKTHSAR BAYAN:

1,HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif NAY FARMAYA ZAROR ASHAB RASOOL http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif KO ILAM HAI KAY MAI ALLAH PAK KE KITAB KA SUB SAY BAARA AALIM HON AGAR MAI JAANTA KAY KOIE MUJH SAY ZADHA ALLAH K KITAB KO JANTA HAI TU MAI US KE TARAF ZAROR JAATA.

2, HAZRAT MASROOK HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD SAY RAVI HAIN KAY APP NAY FARMAYA ALLAH KE KASAM JIS KAY BAGIR KOIE MABOOD NAHI KITAB ALLAH KE HAR SORAT KAY BARAY MAI JAANTA HON KAY WO KAAHAN NAZIL HOIE AOR HAAR AAYIT KARMIA KO JAANAT HON KAY KIS KAY BARAY MAI NAZIL HOIE. AGAR MAI JAANTA KAY KOIE MUJH SAY BAARA AALIM HAI KITAB ALLAH KA TU MAI ZAROR US KE TARAF SAWARI PER SAWAR HO KAR JAATA.

DEKHO (MUSLIM SHAREEF 2 SUWWAT 293).

3, HAZOOR PAK http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif NAY FARMAYA KAY QURAN 4 ADMION SAY SIKH IN MAI HAZRAT ABDULLAH http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif KA NAAM SUB SAY PEHLAY LIA.

DEKHO (MUSLIM SHAREEF 2 SUWAAT 293, BUKHARI SHAREEF 1 SUWAAT 531, TARMAZI SHAREEF 2 SUWAAT 221).



4, HAZOOR PAK http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif NAY FARMAYA KAY AGAR BAGAIR KISE ADVICE KAY MAI KISE KO AMEER BAANATA TU HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD KO BAANATA.

(DEKHO TARMAZI SHAREEF 2 SUWAAT 221).



ALGARAZ HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN MASOOD http://www.islamimehfil.info/style_emoticons/default/raa.gif KAY FAZAIL , MANAKIB WA AHADIS WA ASAR BAY SHUMAR HAIN MAGAR THORA HE DARJ KIAY HAIN .

abb app log apnay haq iman say batao kay mai jo naara lagta hn kay (ahlehadis ya munkir QURAN-O-HADIS ?) tu kia ya ghlat hai

DUNAO MAI YAAD RAKHNA SUB BHAION SAY GUZARISH HAI.

JAZAK ALLAH khair.

Ya Mustafa
09-18-2008, 07:22 AM
Buhat acha thread start kia bhai ne mein bus itna kahon ga ke kal raat mein inn ke Peace TV per Makkah say namaz traveeh sun raha tha aur mujhe tu hansi ke ilawa kuch nahi aya inn ki namaz aise hai ke Quran hath mein pakra howa hai aur Rakooh mein Jatay hain tu Quran apne Ghutno ke sath laga laity hain aur Sajdy mein tu :( app samajh gai hon gai.
Beharhal jo logh Sahib-e-Quran :saw ki izzat aur ehtraam nahi karty woh Quran ka kaisy karain gai.
Yeh sab Jahanumi Kutty hain bus.....

Administrator
09-18-2008, 11:19 AM
Ahle Hadees ka kenha ha k Bajamat Namaz main Imam o Muqtadi par Surah Fatiah parna Faraz ha. Dusri taraf Rakhu main milnay se jamat mil jati ha. Agar Rakhu main milnay se jamat mil jai tu Surah Fatiah Nahi par saktay Jis ka matlab ha k Faraz Chut gai. Ahle Hadees ye batayi ke is tarah un ke NAMAZ ho jai ge ya nehi.
Ye yaad rahay ke is surat main un ka faraz chut gai ha.

Wah :sub kya baat kahi app ne bhai aur i think yahan per aa kar Munkareen-e-Quran o Hadith ki zuban tu bilkul band ho jai gi.
Kyon ki unn ka kehna hai ke Imam aur Muqtadi per Surah Fatiha Jamat mein parna lazim hai aur jo nah paray uss ki namaz nahi. :thumbsup

Administrator
09-18-2008, 11:24 AM
:ja Navaid bhai buhat achi batain kahi app ne.
And Ya Mustafa bhai app ne buhat acha point per baat ki ke ahib-e-Quran :saw ki izzat aur ehtraam nahi karty woh Quran ka kaisy karain gai.
Aur bus inn ko Zidd, Hat Dharmi ke ilawa aur kuch nahi ata.
Allah inhain hadayt dai nahi tu inn sab per apna shakht Azaab musalat farmai Ameen!

Zafar Qadri
09-18-2008, 03:49 PM
Ji haan inn mein sharam wali koi baat nahi aur nah Islam wali.

navaid_khan
09-19-2008, 02:48 AM
:bis
:yarasool :yaallah
:salam,
ALLAH pak ke zaat say umeed karta hon app sub bhai khairyet say hongay, jin jin bhaion ko mera topic pasand aaya un ka sachay dil say shukar guzar hon, aor mai ya jan na chaata hon kay kia idhar koie ghair mukalid wahabi nahi hai? jis kay sath achi terhan baat ho saky aor hamaray dosray islami bhaion ko bhi paata chal jaay kay ya AHLE HADIS nahi hain balkay ya MUNKIR QURAN-O-HADIS hain.

:ja,

Navaid Ahmed Khan.

Administrator
09-19-2008, 06:48 AM
:wasalam
Yahan kuch arsa pehly aik deobandi aya tha laikin sirf 2 din online howa aur 3-4 posts ki aur phir apne Molvion ki tarha bhaagh gaya :)